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| 1 |  | 00:00.00-00:07.04 | Narrator | From this airport, locates at Itazuke in Fukuoka city,
an extraordinary airplane took off....
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| 2 |  | 00:10.40-00:11.69 | Old_man_near_Itazuke_area | Oh... Well...
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| 3 | | 00:11.69-00:13.82 | Old_woman_near_Itazuke_area | What was it called?...
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| 4 |  | 00:13.82-00:16.20 | Old_man/woman_near_Itazuke_area | - It was called J7... It's shape looked like a flea...
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| 5 |  | 00:16.20-00:20.57 | Old_woman_near_Itazuke_area | Some how... ah... its tail...
looks like this way...
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| 6 |  | 00:20.64-00:27.65 | Reporter/Old_woman_near_Itazuke_area | and propellers are in front...
That J7 looked like, a flea flying...I saw it was flying...
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| 7 |  | 00:27.65-00:31.55 | Reporter/Old_woman_near_Itazuke_area | - A flea?
- The shape looked like a flea... I don't know well...
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| 8 |  | 00:31.55-00:35.18 | Old_woman_near_Itazuke_area/Reporter | - called J7... strange shape....
- I see...
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| 9 | | 00:37.75-00:39.06 | Title | "At that time..."
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| 10 |  | 00:39.06-00:41.62 | Title | "Intercept B29"
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| 11 |  | 00:41.87-00:46.73 | Title | a dream fighter - Shinden
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| 12 |  | 00:47.69-00:49.80 | Narrator | Late World War II...
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| 13 |  | 00:50.21-00:53.90 | Narrator | Air raids by U.S. bombers to Japanese mainland became quite aggressive.
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| 14 |  | 00:55.62-00:58.89 | Narrator | Many B29 bombers were flying over Japan almost everyday...
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| 15 |  | 00:59.92-01:06.56 | Narrator | Japanese air defense system was useless against such advanced flying fortress.
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| 16 |  | 01:08.28-01:15.55 | Narrator | At that time in Fukuoka,
a revolutionary, experimental fighter plane was built
to intercept this unbeatable foe.
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| 17 |  | 01:16.29-01:18.78 | Narrator | "Shinden" as known as "J7"...
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| 18 |  | 01:19.64-01:23.05 | Narrator | A bullet shaped fighter with propellers on its tail was...
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| 19 |   | 01:23.10-01:29.84 | Narrator | ... expected to intercept B29 with extreme speed and firepower beyond the conventional fighters.
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| 20 |  | 01:33.79-01:38.67 | Souichi Yamashita | B29 reminds me many terrible memories in my childhood....
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| 21 |  | 01:38.75-01:39.80 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Yes.
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| 22 | | 01:39.80-01:42.31 | Souichi Yamashita | Mr. Tsuruno, I guess you remember many things too, right?
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| 23 |  | 01:42.44-01:43.54 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Well...
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| 24 |  | 01:44.02-01:47.95 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | I worked hard to intercept this...
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| 25 |  | 01:47.95-01:52.09 | Souichi Yamashita | Here is a... model of B29.
It is very big, isn't it?
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| 26 | | 01:52.09-01:53.03 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Yes.
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| 27 |  | 01:53.03-01:56.75 | Souichi Yamashita | Then, the one over there... was designed by Mr. Tsuruno...
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| 28 | | 01:57.02-01:58.06 | Souichi Yamashita | and built...
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| 29 |  | 01:58.54-02:00.79 | Souichi Yamashita | ... a fighter called "Shinden"...
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| 30 | | 01:59.48-02:00.47 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Yes, it is.
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| 31 | | 02:00.87-02:02.44 | Souichi Yamashita | To intercept this B29...
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| 32 |  | 02:02.44-02:04.44 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Yes, that's right.
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| 33 | | 02:04.77-02:06.44 | Souichi Yamashita | Well...
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| 34 |   | 02:07.21-02:13.40 | Souichi Yamashita | Conventional airplanes are...propellers are located here...and fly like this...
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| 35 |  | 02:13.40-02:16.59 | Souichi Yamashita | But this one is opposite and flies backward like this, right?
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| 36 | | 02:16.59-02:17.38 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | That's right.
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| 37 |  | 02:17.38-02:19.55 | Souichi Yamashita | An airplane flies like this, is very...
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| 38 |  | 02:19.74-02:24.56 | Souichi Yamashita | epoch-making...eccentric...
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| 39 |  | 02:24.56-02:30.43 | Souichi Yamashita | Will you please explain how this one is different from...
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| 40 |  | 02:30.43-02:32.43 | Souichi Yamashita | other conventional fighters?
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| 41 | | 02:32.43-02:33.76 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Well...
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| 42 |   | 02:33.76-02:40.84 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | This is typical shape of fighters, type ZERO (Allied codename "Zeke"), Hayabusa ("OSCAR"), and others.
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| 43 |   | 02:40.84-02:48.36 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | In this configuration, the engine locates here (front), and the cockpit here, fuselage, stabilizers, horizontal stabilizers, and wing locate like this.
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| 44 | | 02:48.36-02:51.32 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | and machine guns are here.
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| 45 |  | 02:51.32-02:55.20 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | In this case, this part of the fuselage is almost empty.
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| 46 |  | 02:55.20-02:56.17 | Yamashita/Tsuruno | - Empty?
- It's empty.
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| 47 |  | 02:56.17-03:00.23 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | This is because of center of gravity and aerodynamics reasons... it must be like that.
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| 48 |  | 03:00.62-03:06.26 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | However, in this configuration, the engine locates here, and put heavy guns here...
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| 49 |   | 03:06.26-03:14.67 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | ...a similar one like this comes here.. then the fuselage space can be used efficiently...
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| 50 | | 03:14.67-03:15.01 | Souichi Yamashita | I see...
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| 51 |  | 03:15.01-03:18.08 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | If the contains of the fuselage are same, the fuselage become smaller.
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| 52 |  | 03:18.52-03:22.93 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Then the smaller fuselage become lighter, then smaller wings can be used to support it, then everything become smaller.
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| 53 |  | 03:22.93-03:25.65 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | That's correct.
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| 54 |  | 03:25.65-03:28.88 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Then, if everything becomes smaller [and lighter], it can fly faster [using same engine as conventional fighter].
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| 55 | | 03:28.88-03:29.58 | Souichi Yamashita | I see...
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| 56 |  | 03:32.07-03:40.56 | Narrator | B29, Shinden's foe, can fly 10000m high altitude with 576km/h easily.
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| 57 |  | 03:42.98-03:45.83 | Narrator | How were the Japanese Imperial interceptors against B29?
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| 58 |  | 03:45.83-03:52.67 | Narrator | Hien (Allied code "TONY"): it can fly 580km/h, but 5,000m was the altitude limit.
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| 59 |  | 03:53.30-04:00.85 | Narrator | Toryu (Allied code "Nick")... Attempted suicide attack, but its maximum speed was 540km/h, could not catch up B29.
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| 60 |   | 04:01.77-04:12.54 | Narrator | Finally, "Raiden" (Allied code "Jack"), which played an active role in intercepting B29, still could not reach high altitude, Therefore, a new fighter was expected to be developed.
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| 61 |   | 04:15.29-04:22.60 | Souichi Yamashita | Then tried to shoot down B29 with this...but how? Here is B29, can you explain...
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| 62 |  | 04:22.60-04:24.60 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Tsuruno: Well...
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| 63 |  | 04:25.07-04:29.60 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Tsuruno: There are many possibilities to attack... this...
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| 64 |  | 04:29.68-04:32.69 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | This one supposed to fly in 740km/h....
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| 65 |  | 04:32.69-04:36.36 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | and it should be faster than B29 about....
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| 66 | | 04:33.01-04:34.11 | Souichi Yamashita | 700km/h?
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| 67 | | 04:34.74-04:36.11 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | ...about 140km/h faster.
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| 68 | | 04:36.31-04:38.77 | Yamashita/Tsuruno | - So, it will approach from the front of B29... - How many km/h was B29 flying?
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| 69 |  | 04:38.77-04:40.16 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | about 600km/h...
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| 70 | | 04:40.16-04:40.87 | Souichi Yamashita | I see...
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| 71 |  | 04:40.87-04:47.37 | Tsuruono/Yamashita | - It will approach from the front upwards and fire...
- B29 comes like this...
- Yes, that's right...
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| 72 |  | 04:49.31-04:53.24 | Narrator | Shinden can fly in 740km/h
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| 73 |  | 04:53.55-04:57.09 | Narrator | Intercept B29 at altitude 12000m
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| 74 |  | 04:57.75-05:02.70 | Narrator | Fire four 30mm cannons against B29...
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| 75 |  | 05:03.07-05:06.11 | Narrator | ...almost 36 bullets per second...
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| 76 |  | 05:07.79-05:15.20 | Narrator | After the first strike, Shinden will turn back and catch up B29 again with its faster flying speed, and start second strike.
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| 77 |   | 05:18.87-05:23.77 | Narrator | This was a scenario assign to Shinden to intercept B29.
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| 78 | | 05:24.56-05:26.58 | Souichi Yamashita | Yamashita: Did you have any hints to design?
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| 79 |  | 05:26.81-05:29.17 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | I actually had many but...
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| 80 |  | 05:30.51-05:33.02 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | ...well... When I was on a fleet for training...
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| 81 | | 05:33.02-05:34.10 | Yamashita/Tsuruno | - A fleet... a ship?
- yes, a ship...
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| 82 |  | 05:33.50-05:36.90 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | ..just...ah...
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| 83 |  | 05:37.79-05:41.52 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | binocs... I was on an aircraft carrier...using binoculars...
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| 84 |  | 05:41.75-05:46.29 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | there were many sea gulls flying... and I was observing their flying maneuvours...
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| 85 |  | 05:46.29-05:49.35 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | even though they don't have vertical stabilizer....
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| 86 | | 05:49.35-05:50.14 | Souichi Yamashita | Yamashita: Sea gulls?
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| 87 |  | 05:50.14-05:51.87 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Tsuruno: Sea gulls... Yes, yes...
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| 88 |  | 05:51.87-05:56.74 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Tsuruno: I observed them flying using their tails twisting skillfully...
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| 89 | | 05:56.74-05:58.54 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Tsuruno: ...of course... well...
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| 90 |    | 05:58.54-06:08.28 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Wind tunnel tests, aerodynamics research as well as observing the natural creatures and objects...
Various hits came together...
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| 91 | | 06:08.28-06:10.82 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | gradually became concrete.
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| 92 |   | 06:11.11-06:15.67 | Souichi Yamashita | Even you were on a ship, you observed sea gulls flying and thought all the time how they fly, right?
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| 93 | | 06:15.67-06:18.92 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Something like that. They have wings, so we know it can float in the air...
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| 94 |  | 06:18.92-06:20.92 | Yamashita/Tsuruno | - It's like sea gull flying backwards, right?
- (???) using balance...
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| 95 | | 06:20.92-06:23.33 | Tsuruno/Kiyohara | - Ah... that's right
- like...is it possible to fly backwards or not...
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| 96 |  | 06:23.33-06:24.87 | Tsuruono/Yamashita | - Yes
- I see.
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| 97 |  | 06:24.87-06:30.74 | Souichi Yamashita | However, other airplane designers, senior engineers or your peers...
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| 98 |  | 06:30.72-06:31.37 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Yes.
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| 99 |   | 06:31.54-06:41.44 | Souichi Yamashita | Did they agree with Tsuruno-san about building an airplane looks like flying backwards and overturns conventional design?
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| 100 |  | 06:42.58-06:46.21 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Well... ah... Actually....
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| 101 |   | 06:46.59-06:51.78 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | To win the war, we had to build high-performance airplanes...
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| 102 |   | 06:51.86-07:00.47 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | to achieve that goal, either using conventional design or revolutionary ideas, we had an order to build anyway,
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| 103 | | 06:59.48-07:00.20 | Souichi Yamashita | I see...
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| 104 |  | 07:02.63-07:05.33 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Everyone was aware to take some risks.
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| 105 |   | 07:06.93-07:13.88 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | If it was not wrong theoretically, it was encouraged to proceed rather than disturbing the idea,
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| 106 |   | 07:13.96-07:19.95 | Souichi Yamashita | However, even though it's theoretically correct, nobody saw or thought such an airplane...may be somebody thought about it but...
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| 107 | | 07:19.95-07:22.09 | Souichi Yamashita | Did you get negative opinions?
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| 108 |  | 07:22.09-07:24.09 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | well.. as I expected...
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| 109 |  | 07:24.09-07:29.26 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | ...face to face... (???) as expected... yes...
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| 110 |   | 07:29.32-07:38.31 | Tsuruono/Yamashita | - conventional... birds...
- birds?
- kind of birds, insects,... including fossils, ...
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| 111 |   | 07:39.35-07:44.08 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | there is nothing before, like having a tail in front and fly backwards...
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| 112 |   | 07:44.14-07:51.91 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Something never exist in the nature, works opposite way, it should contain critical faults...
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| 113 | | 07:51.91-07:55.13 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | there was such a criticism, actually,
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| 114 |  | 07:55.13-07:58.87 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | "Tsuruno hasn't realized about that yet"... sure, there was a criticism.
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| 115 |   | 07:58.87-08:04.02 | Souichi Yamashita | What's happened if a pigeon flies backwards...that's impossible... I see.
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| 116 | | 08:04.76-08:06.42 | Souichi Yamashita | To those people....How Tsuruno-san...
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| 117 |   | 08:07.44-08:11.70 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Well I was really young... and impertinent...
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| 118 |  | 08:12.14-08:18.10 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | if the aircraft is aerodynamically correct and passes wind tunnel test, it will fly what ever the shape looks strange...
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| 119 |  | 08:18.10-08:19.68 | Yamashita/Tsuruno | - the shape doesn't matter
- That is...yes...
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| 120 | | 08:20.23-08:23.01 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Therefore, I didn't care at all.
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| 121 |  | 08:23.01-08:26.26 | Souichi Yamashita | Then you can fly a bird backwards, something like that?
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| 122 |  | 08:26.26-08:28.61 | Souichi Yamashita | Yes, something like that... (laugh)
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| 123 |   | 08:30.36-08:35.74 | Narrator | He was only 26 years old... The era was eager to have a new talent.
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| 124 |  | 08:36.94-08:42.89 | Narrator | August, Showa 18 (1943),
a wind tunnel test had done at Naval Air Technical Arsenal
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| 125 |   | 08:43.13-08:47.92 | Narrator | January, Showa 19 (1944), succeeded in flight test of a glider version.
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| 126 |  | 08:49.84-08:54.14 | Narrator | At that time, Imperial Navy already predicted air raids to Japanese mainland by U.S. bombers.
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| 127 |  | 08:54.14-08:56.14 | Souichi Yamashita | Then, what was happening?
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| 128 | | 08:56.14-08:58.47 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Well, the glider version was successful...
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| 129 |   | 08:58.97-09:05.12 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Immediately...it was the end of January, in February, Shinden can proceed - an unofficial decision was made at Naval Air Headquarters
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| 130 | | 09:05.28-09:06.09 | Souichi Yamashita | I see.
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| 131 |  | 09:06.70-09:09.93 | Souichi Yamashita | Then you can fly like birds flying backwards?
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| 132 |  | 09:09.93-09:13.24 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Something like that.
Before that time, using the glider model...
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| 133 |   | 09:14.06-09:23.35 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | We were told that we could proceed if it flies even 30cm height! (Laugh!) 30cm! (Laugh!)
Even though it was extreme condition, but we succeeded gliding test from 1,000m altitude.
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| 134 |  | 09:23.35-09:27.53 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | It was evaluated that there were no problems for its flight capabilities.
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| 135 |  | 09:27.53-09:28.31 | Souichi Yamashita | I see.
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| 136 |  | 09:34.66-09:38.21 | Narrator | A car repair factory in suburb of Fukuoka City...
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| 137 |   | 09:39.26-09:46.29 | Narrator | The factory looks nothing special, but 40 years ago,
Shinden was built in here.
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| 138 |  | 09:48.63-09:55.03 | Narrator | Kyusyu Airplane. During WW II, it was one the famous military aircraft
company followed by Mitsubishi, Nakajima.
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| 139 |   | 09:55.45-10:00.58 | Narrator | After the war, it changed to a non-military industry,
and most employees don't know at that time.
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| 140 |   | 10:03.36-10:09.46 | Narrator | A single painting on the wall of the president room,
barely remains the fact that Shinden was built here.
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| 141 |  | 10:25.56-10:29.98 | Narrator | During WW II, young labors were all sent to battlefields.
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| 142 |  | 10:30.88-10:35.31 | Narrator | Female students and drafted factory workers were
sent to Kyushu Airplane like other companies...
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| 143 |   | 10:35.31-10:40.06 | Narrator | and they tried to build more airplanes under the slogan of beating enemy aircrafts.
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| 144 |  | 10:40.06-10:44.18 | Narrator | Number of those workers was over 50,000 at the busiest time.
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| 145 | | 10:45.87-10:47.34 | Souichi Yamashita | Where did those people came from?
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| 146 |   | 10:47.47-10:52.24 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Well...of course, some people came near by, but...
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| 147 |   | 10:52.58-11:00.37 | Kunitake Kiyohara | For example, some junior high students during the student mobilization,
came from Uto junior high in Kumamoto Pref.
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| 148 |    | 11:00.37-11:13.03 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Young workers who drafted were...
many of those from Amami-Oh-Shima and Tanega-shima islands.
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| 149 |  | 11:13.70-11:15.92 | Souichi Yamashita | Then the airplane called "Shinden"...
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| 150 | | 11:15.96-11:16.93 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Yes...
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| 151 |  | 11:16.97-11:19.57 | Souichi Yamashita | Something completely different from conventional airplanes...
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| 152 | | 11:19.51-11:20.29 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Yes
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| 153 | | 11:20.29-11:21.83 | Souichi Yamashita | ...a new project to build such an airplane came to you.
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| 154 |    | 11:22.06-11:32.49 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Yes, that's right. Its purpose was...
somehow.. it can fly twice as faster than conventional fighters.
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| 155 |  | 11:32.49-11:36.77 | Kunitake Kiyohara | ...such spec was expected...
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| 156 |  | 11:36.77-11:40.46 | Kunitake Kiyohara | It will be a one of the best fighter in the world...
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| 157 |  | 11:40.63-11:46.29 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Even if we accepted, it would not be easy...
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| 158 |  | 11:46.54-11:51.54 | Kunitake Kiyohara | and...even though there were many senior companies...
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| 159 |   | 11:51.90-12:03.61 | Kunitake Kiyohara | They were quite busy producing Type Zero and
Shiden-kai fighters,
and they didn't have extra resources...
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| 160 |   | 12:03.78-12:13.79 | Kunitake Kiyohara | but "KYU-HI" (KYUshu-HIkouki) just finished another experiment build (of "Tokai"),
then the Navy decided to let "Kyu-Hi" to do it.
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| 161 |   | 12:14.06-12:20.54 | Souichi Yamashita | Then,...the timing was critical and you had to build as soon as possible...
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| 162 | | 12:20.54-12:21.93 | Kunitake Kiyohara | That's right.
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| 163 | | 12:21.93-12:22.71 | Souichi Yamashita | Then what's happen?
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| 164 |  | 12:22.71-12:25.71 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Well,...it was a kind of head ache story, but...
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| 165 |   | 12:25.71-12:32.68 | Kunitake Kiyohara | ...we started drawing blue prints in April,
but Navy expected it to fly in the same year, end of 1944...
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| 166 |  | 12:32.68-12:35.95 | Kunitake Kiyohara | they demanded in such extra-ordinary schedule.
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| 167 |   | 12:36.77-12:44.98 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Usually, just completing blue prints took one and half year,
so this was really hard project.
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| 168 | | 12:45.25-12:47.34 | Souichi Yamashita | You have to draw a lot of blue prints, right?
To build an airplane?
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| 169 |   | 12:47.34-12:54.69 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Yes, that's right.
Even though the fighter plane is a small airplane...
We usually drew 6,000 sheets of blue prints.
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| 170 |  | 12:54.69-12:55.38 | Souichi Yamashita | Wow...
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| 171 |  | 12:59.98-13:02.05 | Narrator | May 1944...
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| 172 |  | 13:02.05-13:07.33 | Narrator | Kyushu Airplane mobilized all engineers and start
experimental building of Shinden.
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| 173 |  | 13:09.42-13:14.12 | Narrator | To satisfy some requires from Navy who expects Shinden as a next main fighter...
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| 174 |   | 13:14.36-13:22.57 | Narrator | and to establish this unique design in aviation history,
the development team invented many original ideas.
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| 175 |   | 13:40.38-13:48.69 | Narrator | - "June 16 before dawn, about 20 of B29 and B24 flew from
China direction air raid Kita-Kyushu."
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| 176 |  | 13:49.18-13:51.77 | Narrator | - "Our air defense corps intercepted these immediately,..."
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| 177 | | 13:52.43-13:54.41 | Narrator | - "...and shoot down half of them."
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| 178 |   | 13:54.73-14:02.64 | Narrator | - "and critically damaged..."
The first place in main land of Japan bombed by B29 was
Yahata a.k.a. "Iron City" in June 1944.
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| 179 |   | 14:03.28-14:09.48 | Narrator | Shinden project members took a field trip to inspect
the remains of B29 which was shoot down during this air raid.
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| 180 |  | 14:10.54-14:14.29 | Narrator | High-octane gas,
high-precision instruments....
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| 181 |   | 14:15.16-14:20.45 | Narrator | Project members shuddered the level of advanced technology
which they saw for the first time.
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| 182 |   | 14:22.18-14:28.16 | Narrator | With realistic serious threat of air raids, mass-production line
of Shinden after the experimental build was also planed in advance.
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| 183 |   | 14:34.70-14:41.47 | Kunitake Kiyohara | If we focused all production resources of Kyushu Hikouki,...
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| 184 |  | 14:41.83-14:46.41 | Kunitake Kiyohara | ...we could build about 200-300 per month.
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| 185 |  | 14:46.41-14:47.43 | Souichi Yamashita | 300 per month?
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| 186 |   | 14:47.43-14:55.91 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Yes...This number was estimated with extreme optimization of production...
and we were trying to reach to that level...
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| 187 |   | 14:57.66-15:05.98 | Souichi Yamashita | However, about this mass-production line...
Even though you have technology to build quickly and efficiently,
did you have enough materials? at that time?
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| 188 | | 15:06.38-15:07.16 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Yes, materials, right?
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| 189 |  | 15:07.16-15:07.71 | Souichi Yamashita | Materials...
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| 190 |  | 15:07.71-15:14.33 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Materials were, honestly speaking,
it was hopeless situation, actually...
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| 191 |   | 15:14.33-15:20.20 | Souichi Yamashita | I thought so... I remember that...they took statue of
Mr. "Kinjiro Ninomiya" at elementary school, or...
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| 192 |  | 15:20.20-15:24.91 | Souichi Yamashita | at shrines,...horse statures which
"Masashige Kusunoki" statue rides.
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| 193 | | 15:24.97-15:27.31 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Use iron plates in the future...
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| 194 |  | 15:27.61-15:28.14 | Souichi Yamashita | I see...
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| 195 |  | 15:28.14-15:33.85 | Kunitake Kiyohara | ...because we still had more iron than, not like "Duralumin"...
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| 196 |  | 15:34.57-15:35.94 | Kunitake Kiyohara | which we didn't have enough.
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| 197 | | 15:35.99-15:36.96 | Souichi Yamashita | We still had enough in Japan, right?
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| 198 | | 15:36.96-15:37.74 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Yes, we still could build using those.
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| 199 | | 15:37.74-15:39.36 | Souichi Yamashita | Then they might asked us to donate pots...
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| 200 |   | 15:39.36-15:44.22 | Kunitake Kiyohara | (laugh)... Consider using iron plates...Actually, they told us.
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| 201 | | 15:44.72-15:46.35 | Souichi Yamashita | You didn't have further idea after iron plate, did you?
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| 202 |  | 15:46.35-15:48.23 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Well, yes, woods, wooden materials.
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| 203 | | 15:48.23-15:48.67 | Souichi Yamashita | Woods?
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| 204 |   | 15:48.67-15:58.48 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Yes, some other types of airplanes were actually built using iron plates and wooden materials.
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| 205 |   | 15:58.48-16:07.01 | Souichi Yamashita | Really? Then if the war continued 6 months or a year longer, wooden airplane could fly in actual missions, right?
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| 206 |  | 16:06.21-16:09.01 | Kunitake Kiyohara | - No, they already used at that time.
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| 207 | | 16:07.39-16:08.32 | Souichi Yamashita | - Really... those were flying already... I see.
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| 208 |  | 16:12.05-16:17.05 | Narrator | At that time, severe offensive and defensive battles were opened in South Pacific area...
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| 209 |   | 16:17.88-16:25.52 | Narrator | July 1944, U.S. secured Saipan Island and
finally obtained full air superiority in Pacific area.
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| 210 |  | 16:27.82-16:32.90 | Narrator | As a result, B29 repeatedly air raid to the main land of Japan from there.
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| 211 |   | 16:33.39-16:39.83 | Narrator | Tokyo, Kansai and other major cities were exposed to these air raids.
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| 212 |   | 16:42.21-16:48.86 | Narrator | Then engine factory in Nagoya was damaged by the raid,
and it caused significant delay to build Shinden.
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| 213 | | 16:56.65-16:58.65 | Narrator | March 1945...
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| 214 |   | 16:58.86-17:06.27 | Narrator | After Tachiarai airfield was bombed near Fukuoka city,
Kyushu Airplane decided to evacuate their factories.
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| 215 |   | 17:07.22-17:11.82 | Narrator | The factory for Shinden was moved to Haruda in Chikushino city.
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| 216 | | 17:12.03-17:12.96 | Masayoshi Matsuda | At this place...
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| 217 |  | 17:20.07-17:24.29 | Masayoshi Matsuda | (???)A gate was standing right here.
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| 218 | | 17:24.29-17:26.29 | Reporter | I see...You build a gate?
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| 219 |   | 17:26.29-17:31.81 | Narrator | Mr. Masayoshi Matsuda was working at this
evacuated factory to assemble airplane.
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| 220 |  | 17:32.46-17:36.11 | Narrator | They transferred airplane parts by an ox-drawn carriage at night.
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| 221 |    | 17:39.11-17:51.16 | Masayoshi Matsuda | ...some kind of big building around here...
to make it as an assemble factory...
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| 222 |  | 17:52.28-17:56.69 | Masayoshi Matsuda | we used a crane...
well.. we built a frame...
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| 223 |   | 17:57.11-18:06.27 | Masayoshi Matsuda | ...and put a chain-block to make a device
to hung a fuselage and wings...make the house as an "assemble shed".
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| 224 |  | 18:06.67-18:09.18 | Reporter | You mean you built a substitute of a crane in a hurry?
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| 225 |   | 18:09.20-18:16.55 | Masayoshi Matsuda | Yes, that's right...
Also over there...we were there...
There was a private house and...
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| 226 |  | 18:16.95-18:20.03 | Masayoshi Matsuda | we stayed at that house...
and then....
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| 227 | | 18:20.03-18:21.55 | Reporter | A private house... do you mean somebody's house?
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| 228 |  | 18:21.55-18:26.40 | Masayoshi Matsuda | Yes, we ate there too.
But regular factory workers were...
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| 229 |   | 18:26.66-18:32.06 | Masayoshi Matsuda | ...they brought there bedding in the factory
and slept in there.
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| 230 |  | 18:32.33-18:37.73 | Masayoshi Matsuda | Then from there, people brought meals here and
everybody ate here...
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| 231 | | 18:37.73-18:38.20 | Reporter | Wow...
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| 232 |    | 18:38.20-18:49.09 | Masayoshi Matsuda | then...male workers were...only futon and pillow but
fold it and put upper level of the factory...
they lived like that.
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| 233 |   | 18:49.09-18:57.72 | Masayoshi Matsuda | It was very hard, but at that time...
the situation felt like everybody had to do anyway...
so we did with patience.
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| 234 |   | 18:58.52-19:05.68 | Masayoshi Matsuda | Most people believed that when we completed this Shinden,
it would defeat B29 immediately.
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| 235 |  | 19:05.68-19:09.73 | Masayoshi Matsuda | So we must assemble it as soon as possible to change
the situation...we were full of hope.
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| 236 |  | 19:09.86-19:13.84 | Reporter | (???)...
You were working hard, right?...
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| 237 |  | 19:13.84-19:16.63 | Masayoshi Matsuda | We were putting our all into this, actually..
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| 238 |  | 19:21.17-19:25.09 | Narrator | June 1945....Shinden was finally completed.
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| 239 |  | 19:26.40-19:28.22 | Narrator | They build three experimental airplanes.
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| 240 |  | 19:28.66-19:32.20 | Narrator | They used one of these and finally moved to test flight stage.
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| 241 |   | 19:33.41-19:39.74 | Souichi Yamashita | Then how was it? How did you feel after you designed it
and finally it became ready for test flight?
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| 242 |   | 19:40.52-19:49.66 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Well...of course, I had a ...state of nervous excitement...
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| 243 |  | 19:50.92-19:52.30 | Souichi Yamashita | Finally test flight?
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| 244 |  | 19:51.33-19:56.39 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Similar feeling when you enter a room for "an entrance exam for a school"
(laugh)
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| 245 | | 19:56.39-19:57.95 | Souichi Yamashita | Show we watch the film of that moment?
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| 246 |  | 19:59.37-20:01.24 | Souichi Yamashita | Yamashita: Is a tractor pulling?
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| 247 | | 20:01.24-20:02.11 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Kiyohara: Yes
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| 248 |  | 20:02.11-20:04.11 | Souichi Yamashita | Yamashita: It's coming out...
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| 249 |  | 20:04.41-20:08.82 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Kiyohara: It was in a "tunnel hanger", so we had to pull to a runway...
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| 250 | | 20:09.05-20:10.07 | Souichi Yamashita | Yamashita: Where was this?
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| 251 |  | 20:10.91-20:13.23 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Current "Itazuke" Airport...
("Itazuke Airport" is a nickname of Fukuoka Airport)
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| 252 | | 20:13.23-20:15.23 | Souichi Yamashita | You mean Fukuoka Airport, right?
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| 253 |  | 20:15.23-20:17.23 | Souichi Yamashita | I see... There are propellers...
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| 254 |  | 20:21.08-20:24.10 | Souichi Yamashita | How many were there?
limited people only?
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| 255 |  | 20:24.12-20:28.41 | Kunitake Kiyohara | There were some from the company and from Navy.
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| 256 | | 20:28.41-20:31.19 | Souichi Yamashita | Even though a small airplane, it is big compare to people...
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| 257 |  | 20:31.74-20:35.98 | Souichi Yamashita | This is... changing the scene...
Is this purification?
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| 258 | | 20:35.98-20:36.68 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Yes, it is.
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| 259 | | 20:36.68-20:38.64 | Souichi Yamashita | You did purification, didn't you?
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| 260 |  | 20:38.64-20:40.96 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Because this was "Kankou-shiki".
("Kankou"==completion of construction, "shiki"==ceremony)
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| 261 | | 20:40.96-20:41.79 | Souichi Yamashita | What do you mean "Kankou-shiki"?
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| 262 | | 20:41.79-20:42.86 | Kunitake Kiyohara | "Kansei-shiki" ("Kansei"==completion)
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| 263 |  | 20:43.20-20:45.71 | Souichi Yamashita | What...Oh, "Kansei-shiki"!
You meant finished, right?
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| 264 |  | 20:48.29-20:49.15 | Kunitake Kiyohara | This is our president.
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| 265 |  | 20:49.42-20:51.66 | Souichi Yamashita | I see, the president of your company.
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| 266 | | 20:52.00-20:53.08 | Souichi Yamashita | It is completed.
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| 267 |  | 20:53.37-20:57.02 | Souichi Yamashita | Then you felt that "com'on B29", right?
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| 268 |  | 21:00.19-21:01.67 | Yamashita/Kiyohara | - Who is this?
- This is Mr. Tsuruno.
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| 269 | | 21:01.67-21:02.57 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | I think it's me.
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| 270 | | 21:02.19-21:03.31 | Souichi Yamashita | What? Is this Mr.Tsuruno?
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| 271 |  | 21:03.18-21:03.61 | Kunitake Kiyohara | Yes.
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| 272 | | 21:03.86-21:06.25 | Souichi Yamashita | Wow...It's bold head.
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| 273 |  | 21:06.25-21:08.76 | Kunitake Kiyohara | He shaved his head neatly...
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| 274 | | 21:08.76-21:10.09 | Souichi Yamashita | Did you do for the good luck?
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| 275 |  | 21:10.34-21:12.37 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | No, it was not...'cause...
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| 276 |  | 21:12.81-21:15.64 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | ...all naval officers must shave their head during wartime.
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| 277 | | 21:15.64-21:16.80 | Souichi Yamashita | It looks extremely clean shaved with a razor...
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| 278 | | 21:16.80-21:18.30 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Not so extreme...
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| 279 |  | 21:20.28-21:24.56 | Souichi Yamashita | Now...Mr.Tsuruno will take control...
and take off soon, right?
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| 280 |  | 21:35.26-21:38.15 | Tsuruono/Yamashita | - Oh, that's me.
- I see... on the airplane...
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| 281 |  | 21:38.79-21:39.84 | Souichi Yamashita | now you are just getting on...
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| 282 |  | 21:42.50-21:46.70 | Kiyohara/Tsuruno | - This person is a chief designer.
- This is Mr.Konuma.
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| 283 |   | 21:52.23-21:55.63 | Souichi Yamashita | Now it is taking off...
not only taxing on the ground...
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| 284 | | 21:56.28-21:58.98 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Well...it is taxing on the runway...
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| 285 |  | 22:00.40-22:07.66 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | It will fly or not..well...first of all...
if it cannot taxing well,
it will not taxi down the runway by its own power...
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| 286 |  | 22:07.66-22:08.25 | Souichi Yamashita | I see...
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| 287 | | 22:08.25-22:10.19 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | First, try taxing..
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| 288 |  | 22:10.19-22:12.39 | Souichi Yamashita | There were many steps to test, right?
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| 289 | | 22:12.39-22:14.18 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | That's right.
We cannot let it fly suddenly.
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| 290 | | 22:16.48-22:18.25 | Souichi Yamashita | So, this runway was not cover with concrete, right?
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| 291 |  | 22:18.25-22:21.38 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | The runway was an asphalt road, but...
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| 292 |   | 22:21.50-22:29.23 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | ...only one runway was paved
and others were not paved as taxi way..and...
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| 293 |  | 22:29.46-22:33.03 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | ..gravel roads.
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| 294 |  | 22:33.30-22:38.81 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Then...I increased the speed there
and tried taxing but...
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| 295 |    | 22:38.83-22:47.86 | Tsuruno/Kiyohara | - (???)...little bit...made mistake...
When I moved the tail....
- this was the...it just came back.
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| 296 |  | 22:47.90-22:52.57 | Yamashita/Tsuruno | - It came back already?
- ...Already the tail... propellers were bent
Touched something...
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| 297 | | 22:52.57-22:54.76 | Yamashita/Tsuruno | - I see, it touched something?
- Yes, it did.
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| 298 |  | 22:54.80-22:56.39 | Souichi Yamashita | Which part was bent?
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| 299 | | 22:56.39-22:58.69 | Tsuruno/Kiyohara | - The tips were bent
- They bent like this way.
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| 300 |  | 22:58.92-23:02.36 | Souichi Yamashita | In short, this one was not attached at the beginning...
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| 301 | | 23:02.36-23:02.87 | Souichi Yamashita | not attached...
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| 302 |  | 23:02.87-23:05.23 | Souichi Yamashita | Then.. when you tried to fly... this part...
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| 303 |   | 23:05.23-23:14.01 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | When I was taxing to fly... some how, I guess some minor control mistake... it touched something accidentally.
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| 304 |  | 23:14.12-23:16.86 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Something like a stone, or something big there could hit the propellers.
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| 305 | | 23:16.86-23:18.40 | Souichi Yamashita | Did you feel some kind of shock?
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| 306 |  | 23:18.72-23:19.81 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | I felt almost nothing.
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| 307 | | 23:19.81-23:20.64 | Souichi Yamashita | You didn't feel?
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| 308 |  | 23:20.64-23:24.52 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | But..it became like this little bit...
I guessed I did...
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| 309 |  | 23:25.24-23:31.48 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Even though it made some noise, the propellers were turning... without oscillation... all bended same way...
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| 310 |  | 23:31.74-23:33.38 | Kunitake Kiyohara | We finally found it when we stopped the engine.
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| 311 |  | 23:33.38-23:35.38 | Souichi Yamashita | Is that so.
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| 312 | | 23:35.64-23:38.45 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | That was my big mistake!
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| 313 |  | 23:38.45-23:43.45 | Souichi Yamashita | Theoretically you thought it would work fine, but when you actually tried...
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| 314 |  | 23:43.45-23:45.45 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Yes, that's right.
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| 315 |   | 23:54.42-24:00.63 | Narrator | The broken propellers were replaced, and additional wheels were attached to the vertical stabilizers so that the tail won't touch the ground again.
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| 316 |   | 24:04.91-24:12.21 | Narrator | August 3rd, Shinden started taxing again and finally successfully flew into the air.
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| 317 |  | 24:13.59-24:19.43 | Narrator | People said that it looked like a crayfish when it was flying with its landing gears down.
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| 318 |    | 24:22.22-24:32.47 | Souichi Yamashita | You had...trial and error or many hardships...
What did you feel when it finally flew? As the designer? As manufactures?
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| 319 | | 24:32.47-24:34.50 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | well...
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| 320 |  | 24:35.41-24:36.50 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | for the time being...
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| 321 | | 24:37.84-24:38.79 | Souichi Yamashita | Moving to tears?
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| 322 |   | 24:38.79-24:45.81 | Yamashita/Tsuruno | - Were you in relief? - Well... It was kind of moving to tears...
It was quite reasonable, such a moving feeling...
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| 323 | | 24:40.94-24:42.14 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | well...
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| 324 |  | 24:47.16-24:50.60 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | If you don't have, that's not mankind, right?
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| 325 |  | 24:50.60-24:52.04 | Souichi Yamashita | Did you cry? Burst into tears?
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| 326 |  | 24:51.76-24:57.78 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | - No, no. I didn't do that.
Because we were working...
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| 327 |  | 24:59.47-25:02.02 | Tsuruono/Yamashita | - with predictions that it will functions well...
- I see.
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| 328 |    | 25:02.02-25:13.29 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | I didn't cry.. I expected it to work...
I felt something hot, but didn't cry.
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| 329 |   | 25:18.99-25:24.77 | Narrator | Following August 6th and 8th, Shinden also flew the sky of Fukuoka.
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| 330 |    | 25:27.47-25:37.12 | Narrator | Altitude 400m, maximums speed 259km/h,
total flying time of three test flights was 45 minutes.
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| 331 |  | 25:41.95-25:47.65 | Narrator | However, a week later, in August 15, the war was over...
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| 332 |  | 25:48.01-25:54.23 | Narrator | Shinden retired the stage without proving its high-performance.
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| 333 |    | 25:54.61-26:03.73 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Yes, it was so disappointed... That was THE END... Actually, it was...
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| 334 |  | 26:04.81-26:08.58 | Souichi Yamashita | Of course... well....
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| 335 |  | 26:08.58-26:11.73 | Souichi Yamashita | Year and half since you started building it...and before that...
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| 336 |  | 26:11.69-26:15.82 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Well, you say year and half, but it was since June, so it was actually year and two months.
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| 337 |  | 26:16.10-26:19.96 | Souichi Yamashita | You were thinking very hard, working hard, then...
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| 338 | | 26:20.80-26:23.25 | Souichi Yamashita | ...when it was completed, the war was over...
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| 339 |  | 26:23.25-26:26.44 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Succeeded in test flight first...
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| 340 |  | 26:26.71-26:29.79 | Kunitake Kiyohara | For Mr. Tsuruno, it was about three years, right?
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| 341 |   | 26:29.56-26:36.12 | Masayoshi Tsuruno |
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| 342 |  | 26:36.78-26:39.37 | Souichi Yamashita | Finally, it was just a dream fighter...
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| 343 | | 26:39.37-26:40.68 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | That's correct.
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| 344 |  | 26:40.91-26:45.45 | Souichi Yamashita | Were you disappointed? It did not fight in the real combat...
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| 345 | | 26:45.45-26:46.63 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | well...
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| 346 |   | 26:47.46-26:53.64 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Honestly speaking, we built this airplane to fight against our foe...
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| 347 |    | 26:53.89-27:05.02 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | We hoped that it could be used in a real combat, and fight against B29 or something...that never happened and we felt really disappointed...
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| 348 |  | 27:05.02-27:08.67 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | That was the honest feeling at that time.
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| 349 |   | 27:08.67-27:16.10 | Masayoshi Tsuruno | Of course, after 40 years, such thoughts are gone long time ago, but at that time I felt so.
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| 350 |   | 27:20.74-27:31.56 | Narrator | After the war, the engineers of Kyushu Airplane burned all blue prints of Shinden, which spent one and half year of their efforts, and destroyed ongoing prototypes.
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| 351 |   | 27:34.10-27:41.04 | Narrator | However, U.S. military ordered to restore Shinden, which was remained and damaged in a hanger.
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| 352 |   | 27:42.07-27:48.13 | Narrator | Detailed reports that described restoring process of Shinden were provided and the airplane was shipped to U.S.
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| 353 |   | 27:51.04-27:57.00 | Narrator | U.S. military tried to classify Shinden because of its marvelous performance .
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| 354 |   | 28:02.61-28:12.07 | Narrator | The dream fighter Shinden... It is stored at NASM Paul E.Garber Facility in Maryland. (original narration says "displayed at Smithsonian Museum in Washington D.C.", but it is not.)
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